So, I mentioned I'm in the process of reviewing Devil May Cry 4, and over the weekend I'd said that something that struck me was the fact that one of the female characters, Kirie, looks rather humble and normal and fully clothed, much like a real girl.Kirie is, of course, insurance against Gloria, who declines to wear underwear in the snow, doesn't mind if you observe that fact, and likes to do the splits.
Part of DMC's charm as a franchise, if you're into this sort of thing, is its action movie conventions -- implausible acrobatics, heroes who still find time for smart-mouthed comments when impaled on large objects, explosive gunfights, and broads with big boobs. You can't knock it for that -- that's what it sets out to do, stylistically, and that's what it achieves. Gratuitous exploitation of the female form is a convention of the genre, and not a fault of the game specifically, or of the broader game industry. Lots of times, gals get in hackles about voluptuous panty-flashing video game vixens and the game camera's decadent worship of their rendered flesh. While that's an entirely new issue, again, I don't think it's a problem necessarily with video games, but with the genres and themes of entertainment they're emulating.
I'm actually a fan of visceral, fleshy game characters, especially in fighting games or melee games (see my article: In Defense Of Breast Physics). The gameplay in those kinds of titles taps into the player's human primal instinct, I think, the closest we can come in modern times to replicating our animal era. Sex and death make great archetypal bedfellows, and oversexed flesh makes a nice counterweight to the blood glut. Now, as a female I don't necessarily find these kinds of displays degrading or insulting -- it's fantasy, first of all, but most of all, it's certainly not a reflection on, or a representation of me. It's not personal. And I don't think everyone who enjoys this type of thing in the games they play has to be a chauvinist pig -- after all, I like these games too, and I like to think I'm not a wholly irredeemable person.
Gloria pretty much trumps any other chick I've ever seen in a game, though, in terms of hedonistic, decadent flesh-flaunting debauchery. She's like, miles and miles of cleavage and camel toe. If I'm a little shocked by her, it isn't due to offense as much as surprise, in that it gives the fabled envelope a great big ol' shove. Over the line? Dunno, I play porn games, so not to me. But it's blatant, that's for sure.
And in any kind of art or media, rarely is the blatantly direct route the most intelligent way to say something. I think that while full-on female displays will evoke an easy and instinctual hormone rush -- which, as I said, might be a good complement to a melee brawl -- most intelligent people will agree that some sort of subtlety in sexuality is appealing on more levels simultaneously. I want to be careful in stating that sexuality is best when it's dignified -- there are, of course, all sorts of indignities that can be titillating. But what I'm wondering is, how can we include sexuality in a game and keep the game's dignity, as a medium?
Was Mass Effect the way? I've gotta say no. Now, this is a matter of my own personal taste, but to my mind, sex and science fiction go together like Stridex and Astroglide -- you know, not so well. I remember all of the "passionate" romance scenes in Star Trek, and they always just used to squick the hell out of me. But then again, I've always been only a casual dabbler in sci-fi as a genre, generally preferring a touch more of the fantastic, or some sort of emergent hybrid between the two. To people not directly immersed in sci-fi fandom -- how to put this kindly? Well, okay, from the outside, it's all too damn nerdy for me to imagine sex as even remotely congruent. Again, personal bias. But the Mass Effect romance to me felt as discordant as a weird Picard makeout scene. I never ended up being all that into the game, so perhaps being somewhat emotionally removed from it helped.
Still, though, it's progress. I like that Mass Effect treated its audience enough like an adult to allow it the opportunity for a mature relationship in a game. Though I personally might think it's a bit cheezy from a subjective position, even still it's nowhere near as exploitive as Gloria's camel toe. And Mass Effect might suffer a bit from pioneer's syndrome -- we all knew there was a sex scene, possibly a lesbian one with a blue alien, and even though plenty of gamers were more interested in the gameplay and story, I wouldn't really believe anyone who said it wasn't at least somewhat on their mind when they were selecting character interactions. The fact that Mass Effect had a sex scene was one of the biggest elements of its buzz, and that predisposes people.
Female sexuality is a hugely powerful thing, and like many powerful aspects of the human condition, it definitely has a place in games. I wonder when, how, and under what circumstances we could see a naked, or half-naked woman -- or man, for that matter -- in a game without it feeling cheap?
Devil May Cry 4 also has a part where these evil naked snow chicks make out with each other and kiss each other all over. Okay, okay, that was kind of awesome. But I also sternly raised my eyebrows! I did!
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I won't be playing while my kids are playing in the living room with me. But hey, there's always Eternal Sonata when it comes out for the PS3. I'm sure secretly educating my kids about Chopan won't be nearly as offensive to my lovely wife as "full body cleavage and camel toe in the snow".
My problem with Mass Effect's romance was that it felt too segmented from the rest of the game. On the ship you could talk to your chosen mate and further the relationship. However, on missions there was no indication that there was anything between your character and the person you were trying to woo. It felt sort of like a time-lapsed video version of a romance. If Mass Effect had integrated the romance throughout the game, so that the relationship really seemed to grow as you progressed, I think it would have been much more powerful. I didn't particularly care about Kaiden, I just wanted to get to the sex scene so I could see Jane Shepard's ass. But I'm glad that Bioware is moving videogame storytelling toward that subject matter. I've heard that Indigo Prophecy also had a rather well done sex scene, but I haven't played that.
Also, hooray for boobies!
I'm still amazed at how little mainstream press the nudity in God of War and Conan got. And while Conan was hardly big, God of War was a huge game. With a sequel (with more nudity!) and everything!
I've in the past mentioned that games are really the only media that fully confronts how it displays women, both in games and in advertisements. I mean we are dealing with a culture where Hooters is celebrating its 25th anniversary (which means we likely have daughters of the originally Hooters girls working there ...).
This may occur for a variety of reasons. From the most charitable, where the video game market is filled with highly educated people who are somewhat ashamed that it hasn't been acknowledge that women are people to to the least charitable where this is just misplaced embarrassment of the world seeing ones adolescent fantasies laid bare(huh, huh Pun!)
and so are overcompensating.
Again games really are the product of their culture and that culture can be profoundly sexist. And that goes doubly for Japan.
HMM MY INTEREST IN THIS GAME HAS COINCIDENTALLY INCREASED FOR IRRELEVANT REASONS
Heh, I agree with you that the 'ol fashioned T&A is not really the fault of the game, the studio, or the medium. The action genre is undeniably rooted in fanservice, with blood, tits, and explosions all being separate facets of it.
And when will video games be able to see dignifiable nudity? I honestly don't think anybody will be able to take nudity in a high-profile video game seriously, at least not in our current social atmosphere. Even in movies, significant nudity is relegated to porn (in its loosest interpretation), or, decidedly serious scenarios that are decidedly un-mainstream. Realistically, there are few serious reasons to include nudity in an average game... If the nudity is for depicting sex, then it's likely the sex alone will get more attention than the game. And if it's not for sex, then it's likely the publishers will cut it to sell for a broader market.
Even in the most well written eroge with heart-wenchingly developed characters and seriously dramatic scenarios, the nudity must be more than a plot point; it still has to dip into a bevy of fappable fetishes before you can even attempt to sell it.
So, as it seems to me, nudity in entertainment today can only be seen (overall) as either pornographic or ultimately unneccesary. I can't think of any realistic alternatives.
i just was thinking about the scifi plus sex idea that you touched on. You might want to look into Lexx it's kind of edgy on the scifi but definitely rides on the kind of humorous sex scenes.
Robert -- didn't play Conan, but my guess is, like God of War, those games got a bit of a pass for the nudity because of their historical setting. There were tons of boobs in God of War, but there's also tons of boobs in mythology. Ancient gods really were total whores.
But they come in really handy when the village catches your daughter fucking a bull!
"It was really Zeus! I swear Dad!"
Sexuality depicted in a game in a serious way... meh I think the industry has a lot of growing up to do before that will happen. Honestly it rarely happens in mainstream television, movies, etc. Blame the US's puritanical routes or blame business' focus on products that easily grab profit -- both benefit tremendously by vilifying sexuality.
Sexuality aside, how many games even tell a competent (let alone artistic) story?
I haven't played Mass Effect, but I'm glad that it at least tried to advance maturity in games in a tasteful manner. I love GTA, but it's a lot easier to defend Mass Effect as art than something as trashy as GTA and its silly dummied sex scene.
There is more than just the "sci-fi" (which is a derogatory term) pablum like Star Trek, like good written SF ("Science Fiction" or "Speculative Fiction", the non-derogatory terms) and a few adult SF TV shows. Robert Heinlein's "Stranger in a Strange Land" defeated most of the traditional publishing barriers, and now most SF is aimed at adults, and includes adult sexual situations where appropriate.
Nobody sane over the age of 16 wants to see Star Trek characters getting it on, because they're desexed, permanently juvenile personalities.
Almost all modern fantasy is the same kind of juvenile, sexless material; Tolkien being the worst perpetrator, where there are almost no women in the entire story, and they exist solely to be "romantic" (but non-sexual) interests for the men, kept at a distance. Most TSR-type fantasy follows that model. There was a lot of outcry and shock at the occasional non-explicit sexuality in the first few Dragonlance books, and that was quickly eliminated in later ones. Swords and sorcery stories like Conan were full of nudity and sex, but that genre's far from mainstream; most "fantasy" fans can't handle it.
While there is some fantasy aimed at adults (Kushiel's Dart, etc.), you largely have to go to horror/dark fantasy/modern supernatural genres to find any serious treatment of people in relationshops.
Most videogames have the same kind of desexed, permanently juvenile characters as Star Trek. A few newer games are actually about adults, and aimed at adults, and this is a great shock to boomers and even older old people, especially, who aren't good at dealing with new media or changes.
Mark -- thanks for those salient points on sci-fi. I gave DMC a pass for the boobaliciousness because it emulates the constructs of the film action genre, so it's fair to give Mass Effect a pass for emulating conventions of typified sci-fi -- I definitely agree it presents "desexed, permanently juvenile personalities."
To be honest, I have been a curious gamer when it comes to sex. I admit that I did dive into a few h-games in the past, but it was test. Integrity, strength, patience, and composure.
Another game that pushed some of my
buttons was PN03. (Mikami's other baby) I was intrigued with its "stylish amount of sexiness". Oddly enough there was no nudity involved, but the main characters' interaction with the music, plus core gameplay might raise an eyebrow.
My dive into the DOA verse was purely on a whim. I was curious what all the hype was; regarding the "bounce" & overall design. Only to find a solid game, but like all fighting games, practice, practice.
*xtreme beach volleyball, thats another story.
Those small details just tease us, for a reaction alone. Even the fact with Metroid "zesting" Samus's Zero Mission skinsuit. *and you see what that led towards.
Regarding Mass Effect, although I haven't played it, the general idea is a loving hug to everyone thats grown accustom to diverse storytelling. And that love scene, its purely by choice. In the end, its a neat surprise, just to see what buttons it could push.
Don't all video games deserve that type of credit?
On Topic: From the clips I've seen, I find Kyrie to be more attractive than Gloria by orders of magnitude. It's a major turn-off for me when a woman gives off those not-knowing-where-I've-been-may-be-hazardous-to-your-health vibes. Of course I've always been considered weird, so YMMV.
Off Topic: I'm actually more interested in whether either character is playable in any mission; I read recently that they're not. Can you confirm or deny? I recently wrote on being disappointed that an unlockable Vergil probably wouldn't make it in, but this sounds much worse.
DGM: You can pick, yes. You can either have the game determine the character to play in a given sequence -- "automatic" -- or you can select, though on your first playthrough it forces Nero until a certain point.
As for unlockables, I dunno yet. I've just been hauling through the main game (and not very well) so that I can write the review. You will probably buy the game and unlock the unlockables before I get to that myself :P
"DGM: You can pick, yes."
Ah, good. Thanks for the information. It seemed silly that they would take all the effort to code in both characters and then never let you choose.
Although I am curious about one thing; in locations where Nero needs the Devil Arm to pull himself up or over great distances, how does Dante get around?
"You will probably buy the game and unlock the unlockables before I get to that myself" :P
I wish. I still don't even own a console from the previous generation. Even if I had the money for a new system, I have far more urgent things to spend it on right now.
On the plus side, by the time I do get a PS3 it will cost less than $200, have 400GB of memory and be sufficiently well-engineered to withstand anything short of direct gunfire or atmospheric re-entry. But you'll have plenty of time to beat me to the unlockables, I assure you. :P
DGM -- they're each able to access areas that the other can't. They usually have to traverse the same environments at different times, and so when you come back as Dante you can do things here and there that Nero can't, and stuff that you were like "huh"? about when you were there as Nero suddenly makes sense. It's very classic Capcom.
There's nothing wrong with a little T&A in video games; who doesn't like T&A? It adds entertainment value to a video game. Albeit cheap entertainment value that can easily be overdone to make the game feel like bargain bin soft porn. BMX XXX I'm looking at you. But as for a mature sexual romance playing out in a game, there aren't many game play genres that can incorporate it.
Adventure; maybe?
RPG; they tend not to tell mature stories, but there is hope.
FPS; don't see how although it is home to some of video game's deepest stories, HL2 and Bioshock.
Action; unlikely.
RTS; nope.
Fighting; T&A all the way.
Puzzle, Rhythm, Platforming Etc.; not going to happen.
god of all people -- I could see a weird Japanese puzzle/rythmn game coming out where you're trying to build a relationship with someone based on completing puzzles, or heck, even a game where you play a bird trying to woo another bird by making the right mating call. It would probably be odd, unrealistic, and not sell well at all, but I bet it could work in a strange, strange way.
I totally forgot this until stumbling across its soundtrack in my iTunes folder...
what do you think about the sexual themes and presentation in the Silent Hill series?
I'm actually surprised this series continues to fly under watch dog groups' radar. Especially SH2, which actually featured a Pyramid head on female leg monster rape scene.
Do you think it's just because its so dark, it's too hard for the censors to notice boobs and such?
Gavin:
http://www.gamesetwatch.com/2007/07/the_aberrant_gamer_sundering_the_mind.php
http://www.gamesetwatch.com/2007/07/sympathy_for_the_devil.php
That's what I think of 'em. And as for why it slips by? I think, because it's too sophisticated.
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